Chef or Death #81 – James Rugile, Kathy Hawkins, & Emily Schrader – Sober or Death #1

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James Rugile is a badass chef. Talented, thoughtful, and sober. I talk with him, Emily Schrader from BarZero, Inc., and licensed therapist Kathy Hawkins about the journey from “rock bottom” to now. Please listen to their stories. It takes a hero to admit when they need help. This is a story about heroes and heroic acts. We kick off a Sober or Death month with three amazing stories of three amazing people with very different roads taken to a very similar journey.

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